"How long after that did the tower of Babel occur? There would have had to be sufficient time so that there would be enough people to be split into multiple language groups. "
Nopers. It was Joe Hovah who spolit up the languages. According to La Biblia mankinf had one language up till the Original Space Program...that somehow threatened an almighty god. LOL
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Possible Severe JW Chronology issue - need help please - research thread
by donkey inhow do i make that claim?
i will explain the reasoning but i need some help and quotes from the insight book if some of you can help me since i currently have limited access to jw literature.. the jw's believe that a global flood occurred and all mankind except for noah, his 3 sons and their wives survived.
that leaves only 1 family of the same language and nationality to "start over".. the jw's believe that some time after the global flood nimrod and others (there must have been many) sought to build a large tower - the tower of babel.
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JAY DUBS: Russells Legitimate Children or Rutherford's Bastard Sons?
by Nate Merit in(i'm posting this because i have read older threads in which the jw's are referred to as pastor russell's disciples, his spiritual children, etc.
also, disparaging remarks about russell here and there.
no doubt this topic has been discussed already, but perhaps you would like to join me in another go).
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Hi Hillbilly
Thanks for dropping by. I'm glad you see Russell for the reletively harmless fellow that he was.
Have a great week.
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JAY DUBS: Russells Legitimate Children or Rutherford's Bastard Sons?
by Nate Merit in(i'm posting this because i have read older threads in which the jw's are referred to as pastor russell's disciples, his spiritual children, etc.
also, disparaging remarks about russell here and there.
no doubt this topic has been discussed already, but perhaps you would like to join me in another go).
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Hi VM
Thanks for the additional info about The Finished Mystery. I knew about The Judge going to prison for sedition, but I didn't know it was due to the publishing of The Finished Mystery. I've read the genuine Studies in the Scriptures, but not Rutherford's book.
How very odd that copies of it would still be available in the late sixties. That would be the time-frame of my own involvement.
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JAY DUBS: Russells Legitimate Children or Rutherford's Bastard Sons?
by Nate Merit in(i'm posting this because i have read older threads in which the jw's are referred to as pastor russell's disciples, his spiritual children, etc.
also, disparaging remarks about russell here and there.
no doubt this topic has been discussed already, but perhaps you would like to join me in another go).
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Name a Christian sect, and it was likely founded by a man or woman quite convinced they spoke for God, or were "led" by God, or were outright inspired by God. This is certainly not confined to CT Russell, who believed he was on a Mission From God. So, Russell should not be singled out for a special form of vitriol as if he was in an elite category. Christianity is rife with nutjobs dead and alive. Compare CT Russell to a murderous megalomaniac such as Martin Luther, who had entire villages destroyed and hundreds murdered, and Russell begins to positively glow with sanity and humility and goodness. Take any modern fundy or evangelical, and they too believe they are "led" by God, and even inspired by God. ALL of them believe they are on a Mission From God, and that God directs their life via the Holy Spirit and messages from the Bible. So, this is pretty much a standard feature of Protestantism.
Compare Russell with John Calvin, who had Michael Servetus cooked alive on a spit (and watched him cook) for being a Modalist, and again Russell is a goodly fellow. These are simply two well-known examples.
Check further into the life and character of Joseph Smith (Revelator Supreme and Founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints), or Brigham Young (Joe Smith's successor) and again CT Russell is quite a guy.
Even if the founder of a Christian sect is "normal" that does not mean they did not believe they were led by God, that they are SOMEBODY SPECIAL in The Divine Plan of the Ages. All Fundys and Evangelicals believe this of themselves.
The sad part is, you do not recognize that it is MYSELF that holds the TRUE SUCCESSION from the Apostles! I shall rule the EARTH wth a rod of iron! All must learn to lay the piano! You must get your shit together! BWAH HAH HAH HAH HAH! -
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JAY DUBS: Russells Legitimate Children or Rutherford's Bastard Sons?
by Nate Merit in(i'm posting this because i have read older threads in which the jw's are referred to as pastor russell's disciples, his spiritual children, etc.
also, disparaging remarks about russell here and there.
no doubt this topic has been discussed already, but perhaps you would like to join me in another go).
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Lady Lee Re: JAY DUBS: Russells Legitimate Children or Rutherford's Bastard Sons?
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since 28-Jun-01
53 y 5 m 30 dTrue Nate But then I don't claim to speak for God
Dear Lady Lee
I not only CLAIM to speak for God, I actually DO speak for God! If you like, I will put in a good word for you. She will probably take a shine to you!
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3 Books - Bible Unearthed, 101 Myths of the Bible, and Early History of God
by VM44 inthree books that i hope to read soon.
the bible unearthed: archaeology's new vision of ancient israel and the origin of its sacred texts (paperback).
by neil asher silberman (author), israel finkelstein ($11.20).
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EARTH TO REX! This is a different Mark Smith, not my bud. My bud is an atheist, not a Gnostic. Good GAWD yer sumthin else.
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What's your greatest accomplishment?
by serendipity inok, folks, here's an opportunity to pat yourself on the back.
what do you feel is the greatest accomplishment of your life thus far?
how did you celebrate it?
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i BUILT this here LIFE SIZE replikee o' the WATCHTOWER out o' popsicle sticks, gumballs, and used condoms! quite a sight it be, yessir, with many a folk sayin as how it looks like a giant penis. this here watertower be located in ypsilanti michigan, kissin kuzzin to ann arbor, the home of eastern michigan university and the first dominoes pizza joint. yep. and the original dominoes pizza is almost, not quite, in the shadow of the tower, unseen off to the right.
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JAY DUBS: Russells Legitimate Children or Rutherford's Bastard Sons?
by Nate Merit in(i'm posting this because i have read older threads in which the jw's are referred to as pastor russell's disciples, his spiritual children, etc.
also, disparaging remarks about russell here and there.
no doubt this topic has been discussed already, but perhaps you would like to join me in another go).
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Re: JAY DUBS: Russells Legitimate Children or Rutherford's Bastard Sons?
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53 y 5 m 30 dDon't worry Nate There's enough crap to spread on all of them.
Yes, Lady Lee, as there is to spread on all of us here, myself included.
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The Grasshopper 'IN' The Shoe Box
by Golf ini came across this story and it had to do with people who yell, scream and bitch about everything in life, and they can't and don't 'do' anything about it.
this fisherman (dave)picked up a newly fisherman (paul)in his community one early morning, and on route to their destination, which was some distance, paul noticed a shoe box on the front seat.
he also heard lots of noises in the shoe box.
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LMAO! As I was reading the story I thought "Those hoppers are probably damn near unconscious from banging their heads against the box." Then, when you spoke of how easily they were removed from the box, I thought sure enough, the hoppers had knocked themselves silly. At that point I figured the lesson of the story was not to "bang your head" uselessly against an immovable obstacle or you might wind up as "fishbait!"
Hey, it's been a long day.
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JAY DUBS: Russells Legitimate Children or Rutherford's Bastard Sons?
by Nate Merit in(i'm posting this because i have read older threads in which the jw's are referred to as pastor russell's disciples, his spiritual children, etc.
also, disparaging remarks about russell here and there.
no doubt this topic has been discussed already, but perhaps you would like to join me in another go).
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(I'm posting this because I have read older threads in which the JW's are referred to as Pastor Russell's disciples, his spiritual children, etc. Also, disparaging remarks about Russell here and there. No doubt this topic has been discussed already, but perhaps you would like to join me in another go)
The JW's are the work of JF Rutherford, in my considered opinion. Most of Russell's followers left the WTBTS behind before "Judge" Rutherford gave his disciples the name Jehovah's Witnesses in 1931. From Wikipedia, the Online "Encyclopedia" :"Russell died in 1916, and in the following year, the movement was divided by schisms due to significant doctrinal changes. Those who rejected the changes in organization and doctrine became known as the Associated Bible Students, referring to themselves as simply "Bible Students" to this day. In 1918, a Bible Student convention was held independently of the Watchtower Society. At the second convention, a few months later, the Pastoral Bible Institute was founded and began publishing "The Herald of Christ’s Kingdom". The magazine continues to be published today. By 1928 nearly 75% of Bible Students had fled from the changes in place by Pastor Russell´s successor."The Bible Students still exist in various groups that are very friendly with each other and attend each others assemblies. Since the Bible Students still exist,very much in the same form they existed in Russell's time, in what sense can the JW''s be Russell's progeny? They're not. They're Rutherford's bastard sons and daughters, not Russells legitimate heirs. I had the pleasure of associating with Bible Students quite extensively in Michigan. I found them to be very much like Pastor Russell: warm, friendly, giving, gracious, pleasant, and devout. Not fanatical as many JW's are. (If you dont think its fanatical to let your child die because of something the WTBTS forbids, your thinking is ever so slightly off kilter) Generally speaking (GENERALLY speaking), Bible Students are the opposite, psychologically and behaviorally (as their psychology and behavior relates to their religion, not all facets of life) of Jehovah's Witnesses.
I was quite fed up with Christendom in general and the ministry in particular at one point and nearly joined the Bible Students. My wife was quite opposed, however, so I shelved that idea.
Charles Taze Russell was one of the good guys, in my view, but like myself and everyone else on this board he had his faults, failings, and peccadilloes. One can focus on those (Jellyfish! Miracle Wheat!) to the exclusion of the good, or one can focus on a man of great wealth who used his own money to support his religious convictions and endeavors. Unlike todays predatory televangelists who suck their gullible followers dry. Yes, I think of Russell as an early "televangelist" for surely that is what he would be were he alive today. His ministry was mainly (not exclusively) via the mass media of his day, not the down and dirty toil of the pastor of a congregation.
So please, don't focus bile and ire upon CT Russell. He didn't found "Jehovah's Witnesses" or the autocratic, harsh, merciless, megalomaniacal, and oppressive bORG that messed with our heads and messed up our lives. He would take one look at Rutherford's Monster and disown it, then search for his children, the Bible Students.